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is coming from. >> let's to our panel. joe welsh. with me in new york, jonathan alter, columnist for "the bloomberg view," msnbc political analyst. new book "center holds obama and his enemies" is out june 4th. some believe the boston marathon bombing means de facto we should pause, slow down the process of immigration reform. john mccain calls that ludicrous. what do you think? >> i'm with john mccain on this one. i mean, this is almost pathetic kind of excuse. what does it have to do with a mexican living in the united states who has done everything right and wants their kids to be able to get ahead in american life? what is this incident in boston have to do -- >> the argument is these are two individuals who emigrated from dagestan, from chechnya, came here, and ended up wreaking havoc. >> so what the critics don't get is that what the immigration bill would do, if you actually look at where they are in their preparation of it, is it would strengthen our immigration laws and make it harder for bad guys to get in by modernizing our immigration system. so people who say that, you know,
through these tough times. >> alisyn: we turn to fox news contributor father jonathan morris who joins us. more evil that we've seen. what are we supposed to make of it? >> well, i think the first thing to make of it, and i'll talk about this in my church a little later this morning, is that not all ideas are created equal. as the doctor before us in the last setting spoke, not all ideas are created equal. some are true, some are false. whether you use the name of god or not. some are rational and some are stupid. anyone who suggests that their idea or their belief impells them to kill the innocent are not only radical but they have lost their minds, and we have to make sure that nobody gets away with saying somehow these are my beliefs, my beliefs are based on my understanding of god, and therefore, they might be equally as true as others. simply not true o. all of us, believer, non-believer,s christians, jews, we can all stand up to that and we have to. >> clayton: what do you say to those who might find their faith rattled. those who were there looking on the horror, how can god let th
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